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[New post] We haven’t heard about demons for awhile

Site logo image camestrosfelapton posted: " Demons! Socrates had one, the Bible has fewer than you'd imagine. Who are they, what are they and yes, they are just made up. Still, it is important that we keep an eye on whatever they might be up to. So over to our demon expert, one-time Dragon Awar" Camestros Felapton

We haven't heard about demons for awhile

camestrosfelapton

Nov 30

Demons! Socrates had one, the Bible has fewer than you'd imagine. Who are they, what are they and yes, they are just made up. Still, it is important that we keep an eye on whatever they might be up to.

So over to our demon expert, one-time Dragon Award winning author for best Horror Novel that Isn't a Horror Novel, Brian Niemeier who can actually prove that they exist:

"We not only know for a moral certainty that demons exist based on Scripture, their existence is a logical conclusion from the hierarchy of being. Here we have nonliving matter (rocks and stuff), living but non-sentient material beings (plants), living, sentient, but non-sapient material beings (animals), living, sentient, and sapient matter-spirit composite beings (men), and the Spirit of Life, Logos, and Being Himself (God).

Sharp readers noticed a major gap in that progression. Nature abhors a vacuum. And just as a missing atomic number on the periodic table is a sure indicator of an as-yet undiscovered element, a blank space in the spectrum of being isn't empty. We just can't see what's there.

And what's there is living, sapient, purely spiritual being.

AKA angels.

And as every second-grader before the Millennial generation used to know, demons are evil angels."

https://brianniemeier.com/2023/11/simpathy-for-the-devil/

He goes on to explain that because humans have to experience the world through their sense they learn about generalities by abstracting from particulars but angels and demons don't work that way. They come with built-in categories. I feel like that implies that the Dewey Decimal system is an angel but maybe I'm doing theology wrong.

Still, as a kind of categorical being myself I'm not sure of Brian's scheme. Here is a short version:

  • nonliving matter
  • living but non-sentient material beings
  • living, sentient, but non-sapient material beings
  • living, sentient, and sapient matter-spirit composite beings
  • living, sentient, and sapient pure-spirit beings <- the gap that implies demons and angels exist
  • the logos aka capital-G God

Brian suggests a set of qualities and that gaps in the combinations of those qualities imply the existence of beings that match those combinations, not unlike deducing the existence of chemical elements from gaps in the periodic table. Let's treat that seriously for a moment and consider the qualities first:

  • Li: living v non-living
  • Se: sentient v non-sentient
  • Sa: sapient v non-sapient
  • Ma: material v non-material
  • Sp: spiritual v non-spiritual

The tricky thing here is that in Brian's scheme people are a composite of spirit and matter which makes spirit and matter two different qualities. He doesn't say overtly that "material" and "spiritual" are both ways of existing but I think it is implies i.e. something that was niether material nor spiritual is something that doesn't exist? Maybe not because he thinks triangles exist in the abstract (this is how he knows I'm a demon).

So we can redo his chain of being as space of vectors

  1. Li-0,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Rocks, toe nail clippings, water etc
  2. Li-1,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Plants, mushrooms, bacteria etc
  3. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Kitty cats, lizards, birds etc
  4. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-1,Sp-1 Humans
  5. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-0,Sp-1 Angels, demons

Now, you don't need to be a professor of combinatorics to spot that we haven't exhausted all the combinations there. I am also not clear what capital-G God is supposed to be in that scheme, I assume like 4 but with an extra god quality. Also, I'm assuming Brian things animals and plants don't have souls. Let's add in the gaps and see what other entities we can deduce into existence:

  1. Li-0,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-0 The void? HTML won't let me have lists starting at zero.
  2. Li-0,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Rocks, toe nail clippings, water etc
  3. Li-0,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-1 ghosts of rocks? hair clipping spirits?
  4. Li-0,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-1 an actual rock possesed by the ghost of a rock
  5. Li-1,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-0 THE LIVING VOID
  6. Li-1,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Plants, mushrooms, bacteria etc
  7. Li-1,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-1 Mushroom spirits
  8. Li-1,Se-0,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-1 Possessed yeast
  9. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Kitty cats, lizards, birds etc
  10. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-1 Living ghost dogs
  11. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-1 A real dog with the spirit of a cat
  12. Li-0,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-0 Thermostats
  13. Li-0,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-0,Sp-1 Dead ghost dogs
  14. Li-0,Se-1,Sa-0,Ma-1,Sp-1 vampire cats
  15. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-1,Sp-1 Humans
  16. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-1,Sp-0 Philosophical zombies
  17. Li-0,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-1,Sp-0 R2D2
  18. Li-0,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-0,Sp-0 Chat GPT
  19. Li-1,Se-1,Sa-1,Ma-0,Sp-1 Angels, demons

I'm stopping there because the list can go on. We can have an entry for every binary number from 00000 to 11111, so 32 different entities are implied by these categories.

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